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. by the way, the same republicans who ran a campaign with president obama cutting $716 billion out of medicare, all the sudden want tremendous cuts in medicare. i think we'll get a dl. we have to. i think the president understands that. neil: i know we have to, but we've been this way before. here's my worry, that a bad deal could be worse than no deal. a bad deal, let's say there's cuts, and i don't envision many, your comment, though, withstanding, because i don't see the resolve for it because even slowing growth in a program is opposed b unions, the congressional black caucus, 101 democratic congressmen, when it comes toocial security, whether that should or shouldn't be part of the discussion is going to remain as a zeal to raise taxes over cutting spending. that's what worries me. >>well, you know, neil, i sit here in the financial markets, and so my concern all the time is protecting and preserving individuals and corporatis' wealth. i look at this, how does it affect the market, and to your point abt if this is a bad deal, where there's, you know, no spending cuts, increase in taxes, i
or not speaker boehner can deliver votes. the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough moves. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as opposed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social sec
are in favor of a tax cut? i don't feel that's moving too much to the center. >> mathematical sense, what obama has said is he wants to extend 98% of the tax cuts. he's also said i want to cut medicare in some ways and social security maybe later. but those are big ideological victories for the republican party, if you come to think about it. a lot of democrats would rather not think about cuts, they'd want to continue to do stimulus spending. >> the 2% they don't agree on is so important and symbolic for the democrats and something that president obama campaigned on and feels that, you know, he has a mandate to do, which is to raise taxes on the top 2%. >> to your point, jane, there's a sense of an emotional investment in not getting these top marginal tax cuts extended. i want to play sound from harry reid this morning on the floor. you get a sense the republican resistance is theater, but there is a genuine belief they cannot extend these things. let's listen to harry reid. >> how many times is charlie brown going to try to kick that football, because we know every time he approaches that fo
, not irresponsible entitlements. that gets a pass. it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberat
distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion from the program. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the beginning. their party's not big on medicare from the beginning. folks, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> so, now, of course, given all the campaign rhetoric coming from both sides, we are on the other side of an election that proved that there is a bipartisan consensus, that it is bad to be the kind of poli
political position. when we go over the cliff as matter of law the obama tax cuts expire. we have sequestration where these drastic cuts take place but the president politically knows that even if it a deal is made in january, february on spending they can be made retroactively. so the president believes he is in a much better position on spending than he is today in making a deal because any deal that they make will be retroactive. adam: let me flip your logic. do you think politically i don't think it would be good economically, politically good for the republicans to call the bluff, go over the cliff. yes, there is short-term pain come 2014, midterm's election the president's economy. the president gets responsibility for what happens after the cliff drops. wouldn't that be the political move to make if you're john boehner? >> we really have no choice. president is in the driver's seat and boehner is hostage in the back seat with the president with his foot on the gas. nothing the speaker can do, other than perhaps, i think it would be politically wise for the house to pass a b
, too, get a tax cut. the obama administration is happening what happens for the aying american families. we have congressman randy forbes. >> let me ask you something. do you feel like a president actually wants this to happen so that it gives him some political ad vantage? >> i have to judge that by two things. first of all what i am hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side they said they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we have argued all along they will start by simply taxing everybody over 250,000. they told me they wouldn vote fr anything that would tax everybody over 150,000. you take the president's actions. the president doesn't want to get an agreement or compromise he wants to get his way. he won't come to the table with any serious proposal because we can get a solution everybody can live with. >>> they have a bit of a messaging problem. i don't understand why there's not more of a conversation that starts with the fact these taxes go up. democrats would not extend what has been a republican proposal to keep them low. they are in place now and th
's according to a news pal. 51% say president obama and congress will cut a deal to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. john boehner says he still has serious differences with the president after they exchanged new counteroffers apparently and talked on the phone last night. now some house republicans are vowing to work through the holidays to get the deal done. ed henry is live at the white house. that's a motivator i suppose, lose your christmas. >> normally when there is a holiday like that, you're right. this forces them to come to the table. right now they are still pretty far apart. there was a phone call you last night between the president and the speaker. officials on both sides telling me tonight the call was pretty tense because the bottom line is they are still not finding common ground. you listen to the speaker today, jay carney from the white house podium, they're still saying that they're farther apart on both spending cuts and tax increases. take a listen. >> mainly tax hikes. and as planned is it not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >>
cliff hostage. and that's really unacceptable. president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising those two tax is bad economics, bad for jobs, going to hurt the economy. i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> does he have a point? are democrats really prepared to deal with entitlement reform to maybe substantive cuts, the kinds the republicans are calling for? >> chris, hail by barbour mentione
the game with the tax hike and spending cuts. we have the same thing? $20 trillion in the hole in four years, 25 trillion in nine years. nothing will change. this place is bankrupt. >> greg: president obama is obsessed with the 2%. like the crazy stalker breaking in david letterman's help. he hates the rich. it is not going to end. in two years we come back and deal with this. >> eric: why don't you want to go off the fiscal cliff? >> bob: a lot of people will get hurt. i don't care if the 2% will get hurt. >> greg: you hate rich people. >> bob: i don't hate them. they're all right. they give money to philharmonic. >> greg: without rich peopl people, there would be no government. >> bob: a deal is worked out as we speak. there will be a deal and include some increase. maybe not the entire for the upper income people. there will be adjustment to social security. >> eric: we'll continue to rack up $1 trillion. guess what our kids will be stuck with? trillions and trillions of debt. additional debt. >> dana: i am worried about the future when it comes to that. let me tell you. i don't thi
agree are more harmful than what obama is proposing by raising the upper two brackets. and then this party that paraded around as the big deficit hawks, the guys that wanted to control spending, the only cuts they put on the table is playing at margins, increasing retirement age from 65 to 67 and adjusting rates for social security. this hasn't presented itself as a party that wants to cut spending. on one hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.รง so this is an extraordinary position for the republican party to have evolved into. >> you must respond to what julian just said. >> i like julian an awful lot but i think what he said is entirely wrong. it's fascinating president obama last july, july of 2011, said we can get $1.2 trillion i
it is for president obama and congress to make a deal, cutting spending and raising revenue. adding to the sense of urgency. news that 350,000 people simply gave up looking for work in the month of november. and while that drove the unemployment rate down to 7.7%, the fiscal cuts and tax hikes are expected to dramatically slow job creation and increase unemployment possibly plunging the economy back into a recession. let's go to dana joining us from capitol hill. the latest negotiations don't seem to be going anywhere. >> they sure don't. the house speaker ended the week by calling it a wasted week. he only had one phone call with the president of the united states and he said it was just, "more of the same." now counter offer to what the republicans put out during the week which was $800 billion in new tax revenue. so there's certainly a lot of frustration. particularly right now on the side of republicans who understand that democrats have the leverage right now. but on friday, the speaker did do something that seemed to indicate a little bit of day light. and that is he declined to put a line
and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending cuts that are significant, that make sense, and that we maintain the things that are going to keep us competitive globally like the central funding for education and innovation, and at the same time we also make sure we ask wealthiest americans to pay a little bit more and when it comes to our tax policy that if you work hard and play by the rules in america that everybody has a chance to succeed and that's why you've seen ceos from across the country sign on to that notion, with president obama, saying it's okay if we raise rates a little bit for folks who make more than $250,000 a year. the world is not going to come to an end. there are republican and conservative analysts and thought leaders like bill kristol who have said that. why the republicans in the house who really are still very entrenched with their tea party mentality have not yet understood that, and are still dug in,
to the floor that's basically -- that will be the obama tax cut. they're going to have to vote against it. the first vote of this new congress, they're going to have to vote against a middle class tax cut. no win for these guys if they don't pass it in the next week. they can't word it between now and then. crafting a bill actually takes some time and some process. >> stephanie: yep. megan in akron ohio. hi welcome. >> caller: hi. i just have a question for you. about the viability of a challenge to this in michigan. what can they do? >> stephanie: megan, i was doing that story earlier that the unions are saying -- this fight is not over. there may be a way you know, to be able to -- i don't know the technical term for it. basically to be able to put it back -- >> negative ballot initiative. some other options. >> stephanie: if they get enough signatures -- >> the history is not on their side. every time they try to do that, it has been -- >> stephanie: look at sb5 in ohio. take heart from that. i want to ask yo
's fairly aapparent that barack obama has put no meaningfulnding cuts on the table. anybody who pays attention knows that. the president does not want a cut. he wants the big government. he wants to spend. in fact, he wants 500 million more to throw into some stimulus that hasn't worked the first two times he tried it. why do the american people say it's the g.o.p.'s fault when the president obviously isn't giving anything at all up? >> well, bill you know that and i know that in part because we watch fox news, and fox news reports it that way which is the straight forward way to report it. you can find that out from the other media, but you have to read it carefully because it's not apparent. all the conversation, all the discussion, all the news that's made in this whole discussion since the end of the election has been about what? it's been about tax rates on the rich. >> bill: right. >> that's been the whole story. the fact that the president hasn't come forward with anything meaningful on the spending side, especially on the entitlement side, it's possible to find it but it's no
, but the democrats also want to extend some of the tax cuts that were enacted as part of obama's 2009 stimulus plan. that's where you get that bump up for college tuition and extra child credits and that sort of thing. >> we have another graphic i want to throw up. this is pretty much your upper middle class couple, combined yearly income, 940,000 bucks. under the democrats' plan, you see the numbers, taxes going up about $37,000. much less when you see the republican plan numbers, about $17,000. and then if we go off the cliff, this couple gets hammered because their taxes go up close to $50,000. their best deal, laurie montgomery, coming from the republicans. >> right. exactly. because the republicans don't want to raise their rates where as if we go over the cliff, they lose everything. everyone loses everything if we go over the cliff. and the democrats want those folks to lose their income tax rates anyhow so they get a better deal from the republicans because the republicans are saying, no, no, we want to extend the tax cuts for you too. >> laurie montgomery from the washington post, thank yo
, be a good thing. get gold town, get the dollar up. >> listen to this, folks. team obama is talking about a growth policy by cutting corporate tax rates and reforming the corporate code. that's right, i said cutting the tax rate. if there's any truth to it, i will optimistically support it. free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity, including corporate business tax reform, which i have wanted for so long, i can't even remember. i'm kudlow. we'll be back soon. >>> welcome back to the "kudlow report." facebook is paying interns the astonishing sums of $5,600 a month. that's about $67,000 a year and $25,000 more than the average u.s. salary. well, tech companies pay well because they want to recruit top engineering and math talent. the corporate taxes may be part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is dan mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. google stashed $10 million in bermuda, hp has almost all of its cash offshore and apple said to shareholders, two-thirds of its $121 billion of cash is held outside the united states. now why is that? is it just because they hate americ
to bring in a man who says president obama's plan would create jobs and cut the deficit. he's democratic congressman chris van hollen, maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. welcome to you, sir. you said today -- >> good to be with you. >> good to be with you, too. we're in the fourth quarter as we approach the fiscal cliff. if we can deliver like rg iii delivers, we'll be doing well. the question i would ask is why the hell are we in the fourth quarter? why wasn't this done in the first quarter? >> well, piers, as you know, there were a number of efforts before the election to get this done and there were major differences between the parties, and those parties became a big part of the conversation during the presidential debate. the president could not have been clearer that he wanted to do two things. he wanted to boost economic growth by doing things like investing in our infrastructure which used to be a bipartisan idea, but also, extending middle class tax cuts and as you said, asking the wealthiest to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. that was part of t
to begrudgingly accept the tax hikes and obama and the democrats need to come with spending cuts. unless we treat this like it's an actual problem and not just political theater, all of this stuff is meaningless. totally meaningless. >> the thing i would say on that is it's less like an economic plan and more like fairness and people feeling like they are not getting the raw end of the deal. >> that's political and that's fine. i understand the political argument for it. they are acting like this is going to solve a lot of problems and it's not. republicans are acting like it is going to be the end of the world and it's not. we need to just swallow this bitter pill and move forward and talk about tax reform and entitlement reform and the things we need to address our fiscal problems. >> part of what we are seeing is going back to seeing an anti-government party trying to drag down government and that's going to be good for the business in general. i agree with most of what you guys said except with what you said. i'm glad you said fetish. i like when the word fetish is in any conversation about p
right. 19 minutes after the top of the hour. moving on, president obama's offer on the fiscal cliff cuts billions in defense spending. colonel oliver north says that will lead to disaster. he is here next. and tony hawk is here to show us a few new tricks, including one for all those parents out there whose kids will think are cool. i don't know if i'd do it in the rain, but he can. he's a prompt but olympic gabby douglas is here. a huge show! i think shaq in the house, too. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >> gretchen: 23 minutes after the top of the hour. james holmes expected to appear in court today. this will be the first time we look at him since he was taken to the hospital f
obama the revenue from the expiration of the bush tax cuts. that makes him complicity in the eyes of the base, and they're going to fire him from his job if he does that, in all likelihood. >> do you really think that he will get fired if he lets those tax cuts expire? >> it's at best 50-50 he keeps his job, if he cooperates in making that bargain. the best thing for boehner is for that to happen without his cooperation, without his active cooperation. it's got to happen without him. then they can go ahead and get the rest of the revenue without raising tax rates. then the tax rates will go back to the clinton levels. the rest of it will happen automatically, and, you know, the republicans are trying to do this complicated scenario where they vote present. if they don't vote and the democrats vote, it's this ritual where the dmgz do all the voting, and the republicans kind of stand by, and i think they're right to do that, because then you've got a trillion of revenue automatically locked in. then, you know, obama is asking for another $600 billion, and will he probably settle for
and the white house backed military cuts and the new fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama is hinting at billions more. $500 billion over the next ten years! in addition to the stuff they already cut. joining us now it expand this fox news contributor and author of "heros proved," colonel oliver north. he says this could be an unmitigated disaster for national security. as you travel around in the bus on the book tour, this has got to be bothering you more than anything else. this is your legacy. these are the people that you've covered and this is how prepared we are for a future conflict. >> just over the weekend we saw the rescue of an american doctor from colorado in afghanistan by a u.s. navy raid seal team. right? same guys i was with just a few weeks ago out in afghanistan working with afghan troops. what you're about to see in this sequester are cuts that will make those operations impossible. benghazi. people were talking why didn't they react to benghazi? because there was no marine expedition in the area. that will become commonplace with sequester. one more carrier battle
confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> there is big news tonight out of washington where speaker john boehner and obama are talking. this is actually not nothing, not in this town. early last week they really weren't talking, and neither were their staffs. progress on what to do about all those expiring tax cuts and schedule spending cuts and that possible recession congress might create, totally stalled. but now today they are talking, and their staffs are talking, and they're even exchanging paper, real paper. news leaked today that in the last few days, there have been new offers and new counteroffers in the negotiations. but they sound, to be honest, not that different from the old offers. reports that mr. obama has gone from $1.6 trillion in taxes to $1.4 trillion but hasn't budged much on entitlements. mr. boehner really hasn't moved on taxes at all. he is still i'm told at $800 billion, although details on his offer are sparse. earlier today i asked michael steele, john boehner's press secreta
owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that view that they should give into what the president is suggesting, at least temporarily, and continue to negotiate on the rest because there's a lot of political pain here for republicans if we do get to the point where we go over the cliff because of those higher tax rate pateryers, guys. >> all right, eamon. thank you. >> the talk continues, but none of it face to face. be sure to catch a live interview with on
meeting with president obama for the first time. boehner and the president sat down over the weekend. boehner says the meeting was nice and cordial but went on to attack the president's offer on spending cuts. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> boehner and his far right caucus may find the offer unacceptable, but president obama has put a lot on the table. nancy pelosi hit back at boehner's rhetoric today. >> the fact is, the president has and democrats agree, to $1.6 trillion cuts. where are the cuts? in bills that you, mr. speaker, have voted for. >> pelosi is lobbying for house republicans to hold a vote on letting tax cuts expire for the wealthiest americans. with house majority leader eric cantor and congressman paul
. >> stephanie: what it does, it brings the senate past middle class tax cuts which president obama said he will sign immediately to the house. >> what we could do, if we get the 218 signatures, we'll need some help from what i would consider to be moderate to pragmatic republicans, it would be on christmas eve. we could have it done. it takes seven days after we get her done. we could do it christmas eve. president said they would sign it. what i think is stephanie it changes the entire debate on this. it gets away from this -- we crafted this deadline and it is an artificial deadline we crafted but it is serious. it is ludicrous. the people don't understand it. like in any other, they do these oversimplifications of the kitchen table budgeting. well if you use their analogy on that, when you can't decide on something, pick the things out you can. this is an easy one. republicans say they want it. they'll vote for it. i can find no reason why you wouldn't do it. >> stephanie: representative, obviously there's -- separate
pressure might grow so heavy, that whatever mix of tax increases and tax cuts and spending that he wishes, headline is obama must learn to negotiate. do you think that's true? that basically if you get closer and closer to the deadline, that the president can do whatever he wants? he holds the cards. >> i don't think that's true. the president has never waivered from what he said from when the republicans first brought us to the cliff. the first debate for the debt ceiling. he wants a plan big, bold, balanced. we were ready to sign on the dotted line a year ago. the problem was, it was a mix of spending cuts and tax increases on the wealthy and the republicans wouldn't gettive us a nickel of tax increases on the wealthy. the president in a much stronger position. he campaigned relentlessly on the notion to ask the wealthiest to pay more. is he in a better place. at the end of the day, we understand there has to be a compromise. i think the $250,000 figure is too low. i'm not willing to tell all of my constituents that earn below $250,000 that their taxes are going to go up, because i held
weeks now from the 1-2 punch of tax increases and government spending cuts. president obama, house speaker john boehner held another phone call last night. here is speaker boehner on that. >> there were some offers that were exchanged back and forth yesterday. and the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> as we mentioned just last hour, take a look at the graph, these two sides have moved closer on taxes over the last couple of weeks. speaker boehner offered up $800 billion in new tax revenues after insisting on none. the president just this week, he's come down a little bit to $1.4 trillion but still no dice. no deal. cnn's sandra endo is standing by at reagan national airport, across the potomac from washington. so, sandra, if we hit this fiscal cliff, all the spending cuts kick in, what effect will that have on air travel? >> reporter: the big unknown is still how it will affect the everyday traveler. and that is certainly something a lot of people here are wanting to figure out. as for the air traffic controllers union, they release
that through the $360 billion that is in president obama's proposal with $4 trillion in deficit reduction that does it without cutting benefits. we have an opportunity to administrator years of solvency to medicare and medicaid. we need republicans to sit down at the table and embrace the notion you need a balanced approach. they need to send that middle class tax cut extension bill to the president's desk. >> what, if anything, does today's jobs report do for the president's hand in these negotiations? >> it just continues to add to the idea that we continue to make slow and steady progress. that we need to make more progress, and that you can see that although we've created jobs in the private sector i think for 33 straight months, you have a fragile recovery that we know a fiscal cliff would really impact in a dramatic way. we want to make sure we aavovoi that. we have an easy, no-brainer thing to do to give that certainty and another shot in the arm to the economy. and that is extend the middle class tax cuts. simple, no-brainer thing to do we agree on. >> really quickly here. ten sec
making any budget plans. between 50,000 to 90,000 jobs could be lost if across-the- board spending cuts and tax increases are not averted. mike miller says that it will help determine what major finance initiatives will need to be considered for the state's upcoming legislation. president barack obama says approach in the fiscal cliff will add to holiday stress for american families. >> the closer it gets to the brink, the more stressed they will be. businesses are making decisions right now about investment and hiring. they don't have confidence that we can get this thing done, they will start pulling back and we could have a lousy time in our haqqani for the next several months. >> the president made the remarks while visiting with the virginia family to talk about the budget crisis. >> for now, the stalled negotiations cannot seem to be affecting local holiday shopping and events in and around baltimore. >> harbour east is one of the air is a special -- with special events going on throughout the city. winter wonderland promotes local artists and shoppers can get free parking. it is
is we've got the 2%, 2.5% that we lost in the bottom line and obama care hitting us by 19.5%. our costs are going to go up 19.5% next year, so we believe, we'll probably have to cut two or three people just to overcome the extra cost that's going to hit our business in 2013 so we've got obama care going through. we're going to take on half that cost and pass half of that on to our employees. think about that. that means that our middle class employees are going to see that increase in their health care costs next year. >> right. >> howard dean was just on with steve forbes, and howard dean's feeling is, look, we've got to solve this problem of the deficit somehow. we can't keep kicking the can down the road. >> bill, we can't. >> and there needs to be a shared burden for everybody. that would be your burden that you just identified, right? >> well, no doubt. we've got to share it across but think what everybody is talking about, personal income taxes. that's the topic of the day. we've got to raise personal income taxes. what does that do? does that go after warren buffett? warren buffe
tax cuts to expire for income over $250,000. that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax cut, the unemployment insurance, the sequester, all that, that would still be expiring. so come early next year, the economy would likely be entering an austerity-induced recession. markets would be convulsing as they realize our austerity crisis is about to become also a default crisis. and so the economy, as a whole, is going to be going nuts. poll after poll already shows republicans are receiving more blame for the potential failure of the debt talks. and after telling the press they're going to make a strategic decision to use a debt ceiling as
is talking about the rich in sort of obama terms. obama will come back and say no, we're going to eliminate the tax cuts for the rich. we're just going to give them to the middle class, and that's where they're ahead in public opinion, but i think they're not going to have i any choice. republicans have to stick together. they have to resist the pressure of the white house, and if obama wants to take them over a cliff and wants to inherit a new recession which will destroy his second term, i think they ought to say if that's what you want, mr. president, we'll just do it. >> well said as always. charles krauthammer, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> it's a pleasure. >>> coming up, jones makes a grand return and gloats about the victory in the election. his speech was nothing short of offensive. we'll play it for you. you'll hear the less than civil rhetoric being spewed by the former green jobs czar. the situation in syria has hit critical mass that president assad is ready to launch chemical weapons on his own people. president obama issued a warning to assad. to assad. w
>>> i'm toure. look who's talking. president obama and speaker boehner. they had a weekend rendezvous at the white house. taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only su
but only 71 with enough swag to make the cut. here's the top ten led by the second-year running, president barack obama. the highest ranking female, angela merkel. then mr. putin of russia. bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who get together. we draw on a huge bank -- >> they always agree on everything. don't they? >> exactly. there is some subjectivity, i must admit. they talk about the number of people that someone influences. the amount of financial resources that they have. how many spheres they operate in, are they just financial or are tle political or philanthropic. the fourth criteria is do they act on their power, do they use their power. and if you look at -- >> that's the reason why bill gates would rank so high here is how he has used some of his financial power in the phil
. in case you forgot the former senator is one half of the simpson bowles duo appointed by president obama who actually came up with a plan to cut the deficit, a plan that everyone hailed as magnificent but no one wanted to adopt. >>> joining me now is cnn contributor will cain. he leans right. good morning, will. >> good morning. let me tell you something. you said the popularity of gangnam style knows no limits. i beg to differ. >> you do? >> i think we just found its limits, when 8-year-olds start doing gangnam style you can count on its popularity decreasing. we're about a year away from it being makarena. >> trying to get two sides come together to come to a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know about young people's abilities to force cats and dogs and democrats and republicans to come together to find a deal. he had a much more profound message than just simply dancing in that clip, in that psa essentially. he was trying to alert young people to the fact that old people, bluntly, are organized. look at the army of aarp representatives that ensure that programs like medicare and s
, gentlemen. liz: only three weeks before tax hikes and spinning cuts will take place the fiscal deal is not reached. david: the president and the house speaker meeting. president obama changing his tone a little bit mentioning compromise. peter barnes in washington with the latest. they were saying we believe actions, we have heard so much chatter, we can't really bet on that. >> right now we're just hearing chatter. the president speaks to senate democratic leader harry reid, we have learned. meeting yesterday at the white house with a speaker banner an in a speech in detroia couple of hours go the president extended little olive branch to the republicans. >> i have said i would work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and some compromise between democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> i spoke to an aide to one top republican leader who was a little bit upset by the comment the president would be willing to compromise a little bit. the white house did
conversation, at least from the republican standpoint, is being characterized the wrong way. president obama, the democrats aren't looking to raise anyone's taxes. what they're doing is allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. in other words, allow the tax to go back to where they were when we created jobs. i think, if the republicans are able to say, look, we're willing to allow tax to go for 98% of the nation so that we can talk about entitlements, i think that characterization of the conversation will help them in terms of image because right now it doesn't look as if they care about the middle class. they need to focus in on the fact that they're allowing 98%, the majority of the bush tax cuts to be extended, and they can claim that as a victory. i think you will see a shift in the way people are viewing who's at fault in the fiscal cliff conversation, and you'll be able to have a much more positive attitude about the republicans heading into this so-called battle well hillary clinton in the future. >> l.z. granderson and will cain, thank you, gentlemen. we appreciate it. >> thanks, ted. >>
, december 5th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> our "starting point" this morning, president obama putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept w
before everyone's taxes go up and programs get cut. jon karl is following it all. a small breakthrough yesterday, president obama and house speaker john boehner got on the phone. >> reporter: that may not sound like much, george. but it's the first time the two men have spoken in a week. and what may be the most significant sign of progress, neither side talked about what was said on the call, an indication they may be serious about negotiating in private. >> we're starting to see some republicans concede that tax rates on the wealthy, at least, are going to have to go up. the president has another rock-hard bottom line. that's an increase in the u.s. debt limit, as well. >> reporter: that's right. republicans even top republicans, say the tax rates are going to almost certainly go up. but on this question of the debt ceiling, the government reaches the limit of how much money it can borrow in february. republicans say they will exact a price for that. they want spending cuts, if they can't get exchange for the tax increases. they will raise the debt ceiling. >> the president saying he
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